Monday, October 17, 2016

 

No Robinsons on the Mayflower, but Reverend John Robinson Sent Many Pilgrims

Nadene Goldfoot                                            
My grandfather, Frank Hugh Robinson, was told that his ancestors came over NOT on the Mayflower, but the ship after that.  Was he talking about a Robinson ancestor?  It could be that he heard about Reverend John Robinson who lived in Holland and was the instigator that sent the Pilgrims living there on the Mayflower to the New World.  He never got there, but his son, Isaac, did.

One thing I have found is that my Robinson family had married into THE ROBINSON FAMILY OF JOHN ROBINSON, OF HOLLAND WHO SENT THE PILGRIMS ONTO THE MAYFLOWER.  So we are indirectly connected.
                                                                               
Birth: Isaac Robinson was born about 1610 in Leiden. Death: He died in Barnstable in 1704. Ship: Unknown, 1631.  The ship that came in 1621 was the Fortune and there were no Robinsons listed.  Isaac came over to Plymouth between 22 May 1627 to 27 March 1634.  The date was thought to be 1631  and married Margaret Hanford.  

The ships that came over in 1631 were: It was said to be the Lyon.  

Virginia
Lyon 1Pierce1631Bristol, England
Plough of WoolwichGraves1631London, EnglandMassachusetts
White Angel1631Bristol, EnglandSaco, Maine
Robert BonadventureMay 1631London, EnglandSt Christophers
De EendrachtJuly 7 1631Texel, HollandNew Amster. (NYC)
Lyon 2PierceNov 1631London, EnglandNantasket, MA

 Life in Holland: Isaac Robinson, one of nine children, was born in Leiden to Reverend John and Bridget (White) Robinson. His father was the pastor of the English reformed church there. The family lived in Groenepoort near the St. Peter’s Church. Rev. Robinson died in 1625, but his widow and children remained in  Leiden. Isaac was the only one to emigrate to New England.

Another source said he came in the Winthrop fleet, that I believe came 10 years later.  "Issac, Plymouth 1630, son of blessed John, the apostle of Leyden, come probably with his mother in the fleet with Winthrop.
Descendants of JOHN (Rev.) Robinson

1   JOHN (Rev.) Robinson b: Bet. 1575 - 1576 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, or Lincolnshire, England
.. +Bridget White b: 1579 in Sturton Nottinghamshire, England
. 2   John Robinson b: Bet. 1606 - 1609 in Norwich, Norfolk, England
. 2   Bridget Robinson b: 1608 in Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
. 2   [1] Isaac Robinson b: Bet. 1610 - 1620 in Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, Leiden, Holland
..... +Margaret Hanford b: 1619 in Fremington, Devon, England
. *2nd Wife of [1] Isaac Robinson:
..... +Mary Faunce b: July 25, 1628 in Plymouth, Massachusetts
. 2   Jacob Robinson b: February 07, 1620/21 in Greasley, Nottingham, England
. 2   Mercy Robinson b: Abt. 1614 in Leyden, Holland
. 2   [2] Fear Robinson b: 1614 in Leyden, Holland
..... +Samuel Baker b: Abt. 1614
. *2nd Husband of [2] Fear Robinson:
..... +John Jennings

Here's where DNA comes in.  Our Robinson line's Y haplogroup is R1b1a2a1a1b4, which is now called as an R-L21.  The DYS #393 is 12 instead of 13.  This denotes more matches with the Irish than English people.  Our oral history was that his line came from Wales.  He may have been very confused as he had run away from home as a teenager and had never returned over an argument with his father, Abiather over his horse that was gored by a bull in the field.  Abiathar wouldn't let him move it out as it was the Sabbath.  

I have not found that this group has had many dna tests, but the few that have not carried the very same haplotype, though they also are R1.  It's the allele of 393 that differs, theirs being a 13 and ours a 12.  We've tested with Family Tree DNA and also have the results with GedMatch.com.  I haven't come across but one match which has also had the 67 allele test that is a haplotype match, but not a personal match.  

Now I find that a DNA match of my Robinson cousin also has a tree, and his tree shows a John Robinson born  in 1580 in Meppershall, England who was married to Katherine Eaden.  They had a son, John Robinson, born on February 9, 1611 in Meppershall who married Elizabeth Trickely in Haverhill, Massachusetts.  They had a son, John Robinson born in 1640 in Haverhill, Massachusetts.  He married Dorothy Perkins.  They were different.  Their son was named Jacob Robinson.  

Isaac Robinson:   from genie.com.  

Isaac Robinson MP

Gender:Male
Birth:circa 1610 
Leiden, Leiden, South Holland, The Netherlands
Death:circa 1704 (86-102)
Barnstable, Barnstable County, Province of Massachusetts, (Present USA)
Immediate Family:
The descendants have a site on facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/DescendantsOfRevJohnRobinson/ I just wrote them a message on facebook about DNA testing.  

Descendants of Isaac Robinson
1   [2] Isaac Robinson b: Bet. 1610 - 1620 in Reusel-de Mierden, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands, Leiden, Holland
.. +Margaret Hanford b: 1619 in Fremington, Devon, England
. 2   Thomas Robinson b: Abt. 1635
. 2   Mary Mercy Robinson b: Abt. 1636
..... +William Weeks b: 1636
. 2   Susannah Robinson b: January 21, 1636/37
. 2   Israel Robinson b: Abt. 1638
. 2   Jacob Robinson b: Abt. 1639
. 2   William Robinson b: Abt. 1641
. 2   John Robinson b: April 05, 1640 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
..... +Elizabeth Weeks b: 1648 in England/ Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
. 2   Isaac Robinson b: August 07, 1642 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
..... +Ann b: Abt. 1640 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
. 2   Fear Robinson b: January 26, 1644/45
..... +Samuel Baker b: October 02, 1638 in Scituate, Plymouth, Massachusetts
. 2   [1] Mercy Robinson b: July 04, 1647 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
..... +Unnamed b: Abt. 1646
. *2nd Husband of [1] Mercy Robinson:
..... +William Weeks b: 1647 in Devonshire, England
. 2   Margaret Robinson b: June 06, 1649 in Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts
*2nd Wife of [2] Isaac Robinson:
.. +Mary Faunce b: July 25, 1628 in Plymouth, Massachusetts
. 2   Israel Isaac Robinson b: October 05, 1651 in Barnstable, Massachusetts
..... +Anne Cottle
. 2   [3] Jacob Robinson b: May 15, 1653 in Barnstable, Massachusetts
..... +Mary
. *2nd Wife of [3] Jacob Robinson:
..... +Experience Rogers b: June 22, 1673 in Nantucket, Massachusetts
. 2   [4] Peter Robinson, Sr. b: June 1655 in Barnstable, Massachusetts
..... +Mary Mantor b: 1668 in Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts
. *2nd Wife of [4] Peter Robinson, Sr.:
..... +Experience Manter Lumbert b: 1673 in Tisbury, Dukes, Massachusetts
. 2   Thomas Robinson b: March 06, 1655/56 in Barnstable, Massachusetts


There were plenty of ships.

YearDepartArriveMaster
Mayflower1620SouthamptonPlymouthChristopher Jones
Fortune1621LondonPlymouthThomas Barton
Sparrow1622Massachusetts BayMr. Rogers
Swan1622Massachusetts Bay
Anne1623PlymouthWilliam Pierce
Jonathan1623PlymouthBoston Harbor
Katherine1623London (prob)WeymouthJoseph Stratton
Little James1623LondonPlymouthJohn Bridges
Prophet Daniel1623Mr. Poole
Yorke Bonaventure1623London (prob)Casco Bay, MaineChristopher Levitt
Charity1624LondonPlymouthTobias White
Unity1624BraintreeMr. Wollaston
Zouch Phenix1624Weymouth (prob)Cape Anne
Jacob1625BristolPlymouthWilliam Pierce
Abigail1628WeymouthSalemHenry Gaudens
Marmaduke1628PlymouthJohn Gibbs
Pleasure1628BarnstapleVirginiaWilliam Peters
White Angel1628BarnstaplePlymouthChristopher Burkett
Four Sisters1629GravesendRoger Harman
George Bonaventure1629GravesendSalemThomas Cox
Lyon1629BristolPlymouthWilliam Pierce
Lyon's Whelp1629GravesendSalemJohn Gibbs
Mayflower1629GravesendPlymouthWilliam Pierce
Six ships sailed1629GravesendSalem,Boston

Talbot
1629Isle of WightSalemThomas Beecher


Resource:  http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/k/u/k/Paul--V-Kukuk-WA/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0088.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passengers_of_1621_Fortune_voyage
http://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/shiplist.htm




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