Wednesday, March 24, 2010

 

DYS=12 Near Romans in Britain

Haplotype 35

"Most of these haplotypes appear to originate from areas of Britain
near the Antonine Wall, Hadrian's Wall and other places of Roman fortification or settlement.
These areas include Galloway, Dumfries, Ayrshire and The Borders in Scotland, and
Cumbria, Yorkshire, Lancashire, Shropshire and Staffordshire in England.
Many of the Roman troops stationed in these areas came from Southeastern Europe
or Western Asia. They included Sarmatians, Dacians, Goths, Syrians, Mesopotamians,
Thracians and Anatolians. The Capelli study has shown that these areas also exhibit higher
than average frequencies of haplogroups
E3b and J2, neither of which is native to Britain.
E3b is found most commonly in North Africa, Iberia, the Mediterranean and the Near East,
and J2 occurs most frequently in the Near East, the Mediterranean and Western Asia."


I think what this article is saying is that our DNA was carried by Romans working in Britain and that's how our ancestor came from someplace in England, whether it was Ireland or England. Who would have thought our ancestor would have been someone other than a tribal member of Britain? I'm not sure we fit the definition of haptlotype 35, but we do have the DYS#393=12, which is necessary for this and we are of R1b1b2 haplogroup.

Reference: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gallgaedhil/haplo_r1b_ht35_analysis.htm

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010

 

Illustrious Bennington, Vermont Robinsons

What makes this family so interesting to me is that they married into the Fays who came from France and were Huegenots, or Protestants that was outlawed and they had to move to Wales. From there they came to America on the Speedwell, only much later than the original trip of 1620 with the Mayflower. Several Fays married Robinsons of the same family. Our oral history is of coming from Wales and coming not on the Mayflower but a ship after that. Bennington, Vermont was the center of politics and activity. What a great town to be from.

The Fays are illustrious in history and connect to the Bush family. from their website: Look at : Captain Steven Fay (1715 - 1781), owner of the Revolutionary War Catamount Tavern in Bennington, Vermont. Sergeant John Fay (1734 - 1777), who fought and died in the Battle of Bennington, August 16, 1777 (the turning point of the Revolutionary War). Dr. Cyrus Fay (1778 - 1839), inventor of the forceps for extracting teeth and progenitor of the current day French and Tahitian Fay Family, George Herbert Walker Bush (1924 - ), 41st President of the United States, and his son George Walker Bush (1946 - ), 43rd President of the United States.

Descendants of Moses Robinson, Governor
1 Moses Robinson, Governor b: March 22, 1740/41 in Hardwick, Mass
. +Sarah Susannah Howe b: July 06, 1767 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
*2nd Wife of Moses Robinson, Governor:
. +Mary Fay b: October 16, 1743 in Hardwick, or Westborough, Middlesex, Massachusetts
... 2 Moses Robinson b: November 16, 1763 in Bennington, Vermont
....... +Susannah Howe b: July 10, 1767 in Hardwick, Massachusetts
... *2nd Wife of Moses Robinson:
....... +Ruth Dewey b: February 16, 1769
......... 3 Eunice Robinson b: April 22, 1789 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
............. +John Whiting b: Abt. 1789
......... *2nd Husband of Eunice Robinson:
............. +Charles Wright b: 1786
............... 4 Jane Wright b: November 03, 1809
............... 4 Catherine Jennet Wright b: March 14, 1812
............... 4 Thomas Wright b: October 11, 1814
............... 4 Moses Wright b: April 07, 1818
......... 3 Moses Dewey Robinson b: February 21, 1791 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
............. +Catherine Beech b: Abt. 1791
............... 4 Mary Jennet Robinson b: June 24, 1817
............... 4 Frances Robinson b: October 11, 1818
......... 3 Ruth Robinson b: June 26, 1796 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
............. +Heman Smith b: September 30, 1791
............... 4 Charles Smith
............... 4 Mary Jennet Smith b: May 21, 1824
............... 4 Heman Sedgwick Smith b: June 16, 1827
............... 4 Henry Martyn Smith b: March 22, 1832
... *3rd Wife of Moses Robinson:
....... +Catherine Beach b: Abt. 1763
... 2 Mary Robinson b: April 03, 1765 in Bennington, Vermont
... 2 Aaron Robinson b: Bet. May 04, 1767 - 1768 in Prob. Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
....... +Sarah "Sally" Hopkins b: February 1770 in Bennington, Vermont
......... 3 Henry Hopkins Robinson b: Bet. September 14, 1790 - 1794 in Bennington, Vermont
............. +Mary Scott b: September 23, 1796
............... 4 Anne Robinson b: March 1821
............... 4 Catherine Robinson b: September 14, 1826
......... 3 Aaron Dewey Robinson b: October 26, 1795 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
......... 3 Mary Fay Robinson b: September 03, 1797
............. +Henry Fassett b: 1805
............... 4 Charles Henry Fassett b: March 04, 1829
............... 4 Catherine Elizabeth Fassett b: June 24, 1829
......... 3 Ruben Robinson b: April 04, 1799 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
......... 3 Sarah Sally Robinson b: Bet. August 25, 1800 - 1801 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
... *2nd Wife of Aaron Robinson:
....... +Mary Polly Lyman b: May 03, 1778
......... 3 Phineas Lyman Robinson b: November 21, 1803
......... 3 Sarah Hopkins Robinson b: April 11, 1805
............. +Hiram Blackmer b: June 24, 1804
............... 4 Mary Elizabeth Blackmer b: June 24, 1832
......... 3 William Robinson b: September 25, 1807
............. +Juliette Staniford b: 1810
......... 3 Charles Robinson b: April 06, 1809
......... 3 Catherine Robinson b: May 29, 1811
......... 3 Charles Robinson b: August 12, 1813
......... 3 Esther Maria Robinson b: March 20, 1815
......... 3 Semantha Robinson b: March 31, 1818
......... 3 Moses Robinson b: July 12, 1820
... 2 Fay Robinson b: 1783
....... +Seraph Howe b: June 15, 1778
......... 3 Mary Fay Robinson b: September 1805
............. +Benjamin Franklin Chase
............... 4 Ellen Chase b: 1827
............... 4 Henry Chase b: Abt. 1828
............... 4 Fay Robinson Chase b: 1833
................... +Jennie b: 1840
..................... 5 Albert Chase b: 1868
..................... 5 Mary Chase b: 1871
..................... 5 Jennie Chase b: 1876
......... 3 Nancy Howe Robinson b: September 1807
............. +Benjamin Bissell b: Abt. 1807
... 2 Samuel Robinson b: February 10, 1770
....... +Semantha Brush b: February 18, 1772
......... 3 Samuel Robinson b: Abt. 1793
... 2 Nathan Robinson b: March 04, 1772
....... +Jerusha Staniford b: January 26, 1781
......... 3 John Staniford Robinson b: November 10, 1804 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
............. +Juliette Robinson b: Abt. 1804 in Prob. Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
... 2 Elijah Robinson b: August 12, 1774 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
... 2 Elijah Robinson b: March 15, 1778 in Bennington, Bennington, Vermont
... 2 Moses Jr. Robinson b: Abt. 1779

Saturday, March 20, 2010

 

Our DYS 393=12 Called Haplotype 35 or Armenian Modal Haplotype

Haplotype 35
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In human genetics, Haplotype 35, also called ht35 or the Armenian Modal Haplotype, is a Y chromosome haplotype of Y-STR microsatellite variations, associated with the Haplogroup R1b. It is characterized by DYS393=12 (as opposed to the Atlantic Modal Haplotype, another R1b haplotype, which is characterized by DYS393=13). The members of this haplotype are found in high numbers in Anatolia and Armenia, with smaller numbers throughout Central Asia, the Middle East, the Balkans, the Caucus Mountains, and in Jewish populations. They are also present in Britain in areas that were found to have a high concentration of Haplogroup J, suggesting they arrived together, perhaps through Roman soldiers.

I knew we were old, but this is really a revelation.

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Irish Roots? Maybe

Our origins show 20 hits for Ireland and only 3 for England, which was a surprise to me. It's that DYS 393=12 that does it, I bet, showing we are of older stock than most R1b's.

I want to remember that many people are descended from Naill of Nine Hostages which are R1b1b2a1b5b haplogroup, and other markers seems to be an old description of R1b1b2ala2f2, and then there is R1b1b2a1b5b.

I've only tested for 25 alleles so far but plan to do the 67 shortly, and will hold this information in abeyance for reference. Maybe that's our origin, too. We're R1b1b2 or M269.

Now, whoever was Naill of Nine Hostages? Why does he have so many descendants? It seems that he was a king in Ireland who kidnapped Saint Patrick. He died around 450AD. The legends are sketchy and varied about him as is his genealogy. He is an interesting character, though. You can read about him in Wikipedia.

Wednesday, March 17, 2010

 

Possible Irish Connection for Our Robinsons

We had 20 hits for Ireland on our origin list for Robinson on the dna test and only about 3 for England, where I thought we were from. Actually, my grandfather's recollection of being told of his origins was Wales. I haven't seen a thing about Wales. So on this auspicious day of St. Patrick's Day, our old line of R1b1b2 may be of an early Irish heritage.

Monday, March 15, 2010

 

We're An Old Line of R1b1b2

I finally found a piece of information telling about our unusual DYS 393 being a 12 and not a 13 that I see more often. I've just been learning that these numbers given for alleles have meaning. I had thought it meant where we came from; east, west, etc, but evidently it also has to do with age.

R1b1b2 (ht35) see http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ht35new/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.aspx%3fsection=yresults&section=yresults
is now estimated to be 6 to 8 thousand years old as more data has been analyzed and yes has a 12 at 393 for the surviving lines.
The main European groups consisting of R1b1b2 (ht15) are probably less than 6 thousand years old although some still argue for a pre Ice Age existence.

Eastern R1b (commonly called ht35 or haplotype 35), commonly is noted by having a genetic marker DYS 393 = 12. This is us! I thought we were special!


Reference: Bonnie

Monday, March 01, 2010

 

Upgrading Test Results

On April 7th, I should hear or have heard of the results of our upgraded test from 12 alleles to 25 alleles. This isn't much, but it might tell us a little more. So far I've been stumped with the rather unusual DYS of 393 being 12 and not the usual 13 that most other tests have produced for people. Such a common name as Robinson hasn't produced a lot of matches for 12 alleles. We've had one that hasn't answered my email.

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